Vegan dog food

Shen2
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Re: Vegan dog food

Post by Shen2 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:07 am

When we rehomed little Dougie on 7th Jan he had a rash and scabs under his belly, along his legs and down his tail. His skin was dry and flaking. His eyes looked sore and he'd have gunk every morning coming out of his eyes. His breath stank. Now his breath does not smell and his skin and coat are healthy. His coat is shiny and soft. His rash and flaky skin are gone.
Dougie and my other dog Kichi adore home cooked vegan food. Yes we supplement their food. If you look at the processes of the meat industry, taurine is taken out of pet food, only to be replaced later on. As I said right at the start of this post, I only ever wanted to show dog owners that there is another option which is kinder for all animals and the planet. There is enough violence, suffering, destruction and death in this world. When I learned I could feed my dogs a vegan diet and that they would flourish, i was initially sceptical. But they did flourish and they do love all the vegan treats I purchase from Veggie Pets or when we make our own treats for them. To a carnivore we seem extreme. But to us, it is the right thing to do. Vegans tend to be portrayed as hippies, fanatics and extremists. We are non of these. In fact, I work freelance as a nurse in acute care and I trained as a nurse years ago before I became vegan. You can understand my anxiety in administering medication that I know has been tested on animals. However, as a nurse, it is obligatory that I must only use evidence based research to provide nursing care to my allocated patients. Wanting to become vegan took many years to eventually live that lifestyle.
I watched the PETA videos, watched Earthlings, watched Cowspiracy and other animal welfare film documentaries to include Blackfish. As did my partner before me.
I finally found the support to become vegan by joining the London Vegan Meetup Group.
If animal rights comes across as being seen as extreme it is simply this: We are angry, shocked, distraught with the way animals are treated in the food, clothing and entertainment industries and in animal experimentation and we want to do something about this.
My partner and I volunteered at Soi Dog in Thailand. This charity is at the forefront of attempting to end the dog meat trade. Many people are shocked, angered, disgusted, heart broken to know dogs are tortured and killed. Yet it is the same hellish existence that billions of farm animals suffer before being killed. A dog in Thailand gets boiled alive to apparently improve the taste. In China and other parts of the world, dogs are skinned alive to produce cheap fur and leather goods.
Similarly and no less horrific, a pig in the UK gets boiled alive due to inadequate training or fast production processes in the slaughterhouse. They may have experienced severe abuse by being kicked, punched, stabbed, thrown and electrocuted by handlers. It is also a well know fact that a significant number of workers who used to work in slaughter houses suffer with post traumatic stress as a direct consequence of killing sentient beings. If we can make a difference by becoming vegan and ensuring our pets are vegan (those who can be) then we have played a part in preventing more suffering and deaths.
The end result is that being vegan not only saves lives, it reduces the negative impact on climate change as meat IS the number one cause of detrimental climate change.
Vegans want a kinder world and 2017 is proving that there are more and more people, just like us, who have decided to go vegan too for similar reasons as stated above.
I find it ambiguous when people talk about feeding dogs a natural diet. My opinion is that it is not natural to have animals as pets. In doing so, they are taken out of their environment and live in human homes where natural dog behaviours are frowned upon and trained/disciplined out of them, or at the very least, restricted. Even if dogs have evolved over the centuries, living with humans is not natural for a dog. That's why we only rescue our pets rather than buy them. Better to live a life as full as can be possible within limitations of a human environment than to have no life at all.
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Dougie the vegan dog

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Re: Vegan dog food

Post by Debbie(tarakisha) » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:15 am

Lovely photo of Dougie :thanks.gif: for sharing :cool.gif:

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Re: Vegan dog food

Post by xxlynne » Thu Feb 16, 2017 2:56 pm

What do people want us to do with this post leave it open? locked it for reference? or hide it?

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Re: Vegan dog food

Post by Wander Woman » Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:03 pm

Personally, I would rather see it remain open for now, as there are a couple things in the above post I would like to comment on (but do not have the time at the moment.) I don't think it should be hidden, as then no one can look at the different opinions laid out here, or the links involved, to help them make their own decisions.
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Re: Vegan dog food

Post by sweetpea » Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:34 pm

I would say lock it as i find some of shen2 s post offensive ....and its getting nowhere

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Re: Vegan dog food

Post by Wander Woman » Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:35 pm

Did you know that there is evidence that dogs and humans co-evolved? The evidence for dog domestication goes back 32,000 years. That’s a long time. So to say that a dog’s natural state is not connected with humans is a statement that would have criteria going back an awful long way. Almost to the dawn of modern humans. I think that a case can be made that dogs and humans belong together and have been since the very early days in our evolution. I can agree that a wolf’s natural place is not alongside humans. Wolves are not dogs, though. Here are just a couple articles on this. You can find loads on the internet:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... e-science/
http://www.livescience.com/31997-dogs-a ... ether.html

I know that many PETA members do not believe that humans should keep pets. That is one reason I consider them an extreme group. It’s certainly someone’s prerogative not to have pets - and maybe that’s better if they don’t believe in that sort of thing. Did you know that there is evidence that PETA shelters in the US have a very high euthanasia/kill rate? No kill shelter proponents do not support their ethics in this regard.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/0 ... 12490.html

The pig boiling example described above is, of course, horrible – I’m sure most people would agree. But I honestly do believe that this particular example is the exception, not the rule. What they were doing was illegal (rightly so) and was halted. As far as dog consumption goes, you could get into all sorts of cultural stuff here; you could do that with horses too, as many cultures eat horse meat. There are all sorts of threads people could start on this forum relating to dog and animal welfare.

The topic of animal rights is a sort of perception continuum. What one person may find unconscionable, another will not. If a person does not agree with a vegan lifestyle, does that make that person unethical or evil in some way? Because I do not agree that dogs should be fed on a vegan diet because I think it is biologically inappropriate, does that make me a terrible person? Judgmentalness works both ways.

One of the reasons I posted the ingredients of the vegan dog food above, was to show that it is made up of exactly the components that many nutritionists complain about. I don’t think it’s fair to say that there are a lot of terrible dog foods out there and then offer this one as superior, when it is comprised of many components that are deemed to be problematic to a dog’s diet.

I find it interesting that a medical professional who is trained in and understands the scientific method would reject science in another area of life. But that’s certainly any individual’s choice. I understand that in this particular case, for some people, personal ethics override science.

I can see that Shen2 is a very passionate vegan. The response above proves my point in a way though, because it addresses the ethics behind veganism. But it does not address the science supporting the biological evolution of dogs. We could talk all day long (and have) about the ethics of meat production. But what about the ethics of feeding a biologically appropriate diet to our dogs? That’s an ethical question too – it is for me anyway. That’s why I choose to feed my dog a biologically appropriate diet.

Dougie is very handsome. He reminds me of my Luna. I’m sure most of us on this forum could post photos of our healthy dogs – who are probably fed a range of different diets/foods.

Whatever people feed their dogs, I hope they look into the ingredients and balance that with a dog’s nutritional requirements, cost, and of course, some will consider ethics. As said before, it’s likely everyone on this forum loves their dogs. Let’s keep loving and doing the best we can for them.
"The question is not, 'Can they reason?' nor, 'Can they talk?' but rather, 'Can they suffer?'" - Jeremy Bentham

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Re: Vegan dog food

Post by JenG » Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:40 pm

Can we maybe lock and archive this now?

I think both points have been made - it's a shame people have taken offence to opposing views. Points on both sides have been interesting and valid. I will still stick by what I think that we must see what our dogs thrive on, we must also not judge one another for our personal choices and understand that everyone's nutritional needs are different. I have tried both vegan and non vegan diets and I found the one to suit me and my personal nutritional and medical needs. We have to look after ourselves and our dogs on individuals needs. Let's embrace our differences and celebrate our similarities - namely saving wonderful rescue dogs!
Yes I am now sounding like a hippy! Lol!! Love to you all!!

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Re: Vegan dog food

Post by admin » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:08 am

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